When is enough really enough.

I have a friend who I have been a good friend with for 22 years.

She has 2 kids, 5 and 8.

Rather than making this an incredibly long sob fest, I will give you just the highlights.

She was with a man for 10 years; the same man is the father of her children. Her 8-year-old little girl has special needs, mainly an issue with her hearing and has to wear eardrums in order to hear. Even then, any sound she hears is muffled. She should be learning sign language so she can communicate, but she is not.

The 5-year-old little boy is currently in kindergarten, but is being held back because he cannot count, amongst other things. In the years that I have been close to this family I have never seen the mother sit down and read to them (I have never even noticed books in their house!), play games, do crafts or even bake together.

The father suffers from an addiction and they have recently split up because of it. Thankfully my friend is doing much better without him and is a lot happier. But the children still suffer.

The kids spend every weekend at their father’s house. He spends his time in his bedroom watching TV and leaves his daughter (who is 13 and from a previous relationship) to look after the 5 and 8 year old.

In months past the father was put into the psychiatric ward due to depression and suicide attempts. So he is clearly not stable.

But, my friend allowed the children there anyway, knowing all that could possibly happen.

Last weekend her 5-year-old little boy was found in the middle of the street crying and yelling “I want to die”.

When asked why he was saying that, he said, “I heard my dad say that.”

In my long friendship with her, I have been by her side the entire time.

I have done everything I can do.

This last time I was so proud that she left him. That she was starting to make a life for herself and her kids. I told her that if she ever went back to him, I couldn’t continue our friendship.

But when I heard what the little boy said last weekend, It broke my heart.

I just got off the phone with her. We were going to meet for coffee and just before we were about to end the conversation she said, “I am going to drop the kids off at the fathers house.”

Angry and frustrated I yelled. And I cried.

What is she thinking? When is enough going to be enough?

The struggle I have, is that I have been friends with her for 22 years! I am the little girl’s god mother. I feel that if I were to end the friendship, I am abandoning her or something. But at the same time, I feel she is not living a lifestyle that I can support. If that makes sense?

I feel I have supported it long enough and it’s just getting worse.

I don’t know. I don’t know what to do. I don’t know if I should end the friendship because I don’t think she is ever going to understand.

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12 Comments

Mrs. Micah  on February 25th, 2010

I don’t know what kind of advice to give because part of me wants to tell you to stay close to the friend and help her and the other says that apparently your help isn’t making a difference. I don’t know.

But it’s confirming my own decision not to have kids with my husband (one we made before we were married). He’s actually great with kids, he helped raise his youngest sibling who’s 16-years-younger than he is. BUT he suffers from depression and periodically it gets really bad and he’ll just lie on the couch for a bit and says stuff like wanting to die. It’s something I knew I got in the bargain and most of the time things run smoothly. We agreed not to have kids because we don’t think it’ll be a healthy environment for them to grow up in–his own father was like this and he thinks that’s one of the biggest reasons he’s had chronic depression since he was a young teen. If I had had my own desires & plans to be a mom, then I probably would have married someone else, but I’m not very maternal.

Anyway, her 5-year-old’s reaction makes me agree that he should not be around his dad right now…and it also makes me feel validated in my decision, that I’m not overthinking the effect his depression would have on hypothetical children.

Sorry, I just posted a lot of stuff about my own situation, but your post was very helpful. If it helps, tell your friend how my husband turned out from living with his dad. My love my FIL but he still talks openly about life being pointless, etc, and I then want to smack him for ever having had kids in the first place when he clearly didn’t think even his own life was worth living. Except that I like Micah. :)

Ginger  on February 25th, 2010

That’s a tough situation to be in. I am in something similar, but with a friend’s smoking and drinking problems. Not quite the same, but I feel your frustration.

You have done what you can to help you friend… I don’t know if there is much else you can do with her.

Maybe sit down with her again and say it one more time. You will help her, but she has to stop doing stupid things (like sending the kids to their dad’s) and get her life on track. Point out all the stupid shit she is doing. Sometimes people need a wallop in the pants before they can see things clearly.

This may blow up in your face though. But if you’re considering ending the relationship anyway, then maybe it is a last ditch effort.

Another option is to call child services on them.

Keep us updated with how things turn out–many people face challenges such as these and its good to see how other people deal with them.

Best of luck.

Carrie  on February 25th, 2010

OMG – I don’t quite know what to say, but you are such a sweet, caring person. I am not good at advise giving, but I really hope whatever you decision you make you are happy with. *hugs*

Jessie's Money  on February 25th, 2010

oh my… i don’t envy the position your in. It’s going to be very hard. All of our thoughts are with you!

~hug~

Jane  on February 25th, 2010

This is definitely a family that needs help beyond what you as a very caring and generous friend are equipped to give. The dad clearly needs medical attention and I suspect that the mom needs some intensive therapy as well. It sounds like possibly your friend has not dealt with all the ramification of being with an addicted person for herself and she is not protecting her kids that is for sure.

If you know the school that the kids attend, you could stop in there and speak with the principal or childcare worker about the home situation. It is possible that they do not know exactly what is going on at home – kids hide things very well. They would certainly be able to get the necessary people involved to protect the kids. And this route would keep you in a position to continue to offer support to your friend.

To Mrs. Micah – while your decision is yours to make and I am happy it is working for you, I would urge people to educate themselves about depression because statements like that only increase the stigma surrounding depression that prevents people from getting treatment. I suffer from depression and I have 3 very beautiful children. Depression is a disease no different from diabetes and with proper treatment and care can be very manageable for most. I agree that regardless of what the illness is (depression, addiction, heart disease, diabetes, etc) there will be an impact on a family, but it also allows me to teach my children life skills, empathy and tolerance in ways that would not have touched our lives otherwise. While depression has a genetic component to it, depression can touch ANYONE at anytime in his or her life. The joy that my children and husband bring me is also one of my main motivators to stay healthy and maintain my treatment regimens.

Thanks for letting me have my say, and I mean no disrespect to anyone. Good look FD with your friend, it is a tough position that you are in, and I hope the family gets the help they need.

The Lost Goat  on February 25th, 2010

How recent was the split? Just like his addiction fuels a need, her enabling filled a need for her. To her credit, she’s trying to get away from whatever this destructive need might be. But their separation has left a huge gaping hole in her life which he filled for her for ten years. She might not be at her best decision-making wise.

Also, what does her support system look like? Is this her only opportunity to not be a full time mommy to two special needs kids?

If you can find the time, you might offer to do things with the children. This can be couched in terms of spending more time with your godchild and not making the other one jealous, or in terms of giving her a little time off. This serves the dual purpose of giving her a little time by herself and giving the children a sane and sympathetic ear should anything really be going wrong in their lives.

Lee Ann  on February 25th, 2010

this is such a hard nut to crack. DO you risk your friendship by really saying how you feel or try to be as politically correct as possible. The bad thing is, something horrible could happen to those kids under his care and their mom could possibly held responsible, since his problems are well known. Those kids are the first and foremost important part of this equation. Tread lightly but tread, you or someone else could possibly be life savers, in more way than one.

eemusings  on February 25th, 2010

I don’t think anything will ever change for her. I know it’s hard, but if you can’t stand by and watch, it’s probably time to stop trying. Cutting ties is never easy, but if ever there was a time, it’s probably now or not too far away.

Rina  on February 25th, 2010

:(

First of all, *hugs* to you. What a tough, emotionally draining situation to be in. I don’t envy you, and I know how difficult this must be for you being the caring, sensitive person you are. :(

It’s easy for us bystanders to say things like – you should TELL her, or you should TAKE ACTION – but to actually do these things is really, really freaking hard. Trust me – I’m in a similar situation (to cut ties or not) with a friend whom I’ve known since we were babies. I’ve decided to simply stay away for now, rather than say anything, because I am a chickenshit and I know she will just freak out and then SHE’LL cut all ties with me (er…it’s happened before when I spoke my mind).

My advice?

Don’t confront her in person. I know that sounds wimpy but hey, it’s my two cents, right? Hehe. I would write out EVERYTHING you are feeling: your fears and concern about her children, how you feel about her and her relationship, and even how you are torn between cutting all ties with her or not. EVERYTHING. Make sure you are no holds barred – you don’t HAVE to let her see it, after all, but it will make you feel a TON better to at least get it off your chest.

Then, have someone else read it. And ask them if they think you should let her see it.

I think you SHOULD let her read it. Email it, or give it to her in a handwritten letter, or whatever. Because if you are considering cutting all ties anyway, what harm could it do to at least let her know how you are feeling, 100% honestly? I think it’s only fair, and it might actually give her a smack on the ass to get her life in gear. And by having her READ it means no out of control personal confrontations – it allows for her (and you) to digest, calm down and really think things over.

I will be thinking about you – and hope that you keep us posted!!! Message me on the FB if you wanna chat!!

*hugs*

me in millions  on February 26th, 2010

Sadly, it’s one of those situations where you can’t make a person change unless they want to. And it sounds like your friend isn’t ready to change all the way.

The Asian Pear  on February 26th, 2010

ack. to be honest, i’m less worried about the friendship state and more with the children. I don’t know… If it was me, I’d seriously consider calling child services. but this would end the friendship definitely. =/

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